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<small><font face="Ubuntu">Bij het vragen naar het contact adres heb
ik al onofficieel antwoord gekregen dat we de naam moeten
gebruiken. Ik wacht nog even op jullie feedback en stuur dan de
mail naar <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:trademark@canonical.com">trademark@canonical.com</a> voor een officieel antwoord,
die we dan ook 'op papier' hebben.<br>
<br>
czajkowski is altijd al tegen een officiële stichting geweest,
omdat te veel werk met zich mee brengt. Ubuntu-US-NY en
Ubuntu-FR hebben ook een officiele organisatie structuur om
dezelfde reden als wij hebben en daar werkt het prima.<br>
<br>
Hier een log van de conversatie met paultag en czajkowski<br>
<br>
(15:31:32) Ronnie: ping paultag<br>
(15:32:32) paultag: Ronnie: pong<br>
(15:32:39) paultag: Ronnie: what can I do to help?<br>
pak33m paultag <br>
(15:34:37) Ronnie: paultag: i have some questions about the
legal use of the name ubuntu, do you know who i can contact?<br>
(15:35:09) paultag: Ronnie: sure. trademarks@canonical, you can
try running it past me, I've had to deal with them a bunch (I
can try to see if I know one way or the other)<br>
pak33m paultag <br>
(15:37:54) Ronnie: paultag: as ubuntu-nl we want to start up a
legal stucture (some kind of volontary association) and we want
to use the name "Stichting ondersteuning UbuntuNL" freely
translated to "Foundation support UbuntuNL"<br>
(15:38:20) Ronnie: may we use the Ubuntu name in the legal
structure?<br>
(15:38:26) czajkowski: I think some teams have to set up
foudnations but it does bring up a lot of hassle <br>
(15:38:29) paultag: Ronnie: I believe this is valid usage, given
that it does exactly pertain to Ubuntu it's self -- email
canonical as a test<br>
(15:38:30) czajkowski: ie money<br>
(15:38:33) czajkowski: bank accounts<br>
(15:38:44) czajkowski: insurance <br>
(15:38:46) paultag: Ronnie: it sounds fine, just be careful in
the administration of the structure<br>
(15:38:59) paultag: aye, what czajkowski said<br>
(15:39:24) czajkowski: it's usally not recommended <br>
(15:39:31) czajkowski: as it becomes a legal entitiy <br>
(15:39:41) czajkowski: you risk becoming liale <br>
(15:39:46) czajkowski: *liable <br>
(15:39:47) czajkowski: etc<br>
(15:39:50) paultag: czajkowski: ubuntu us ny has been kicking
arse at this<br>
(15:39:51) czajkowski: have to go sorry<br>
(15:39:57) paultag: czajkowski: they have that set up and it
works for them<br>
(15:39:58) czajkowski: paultag: :/<br>
(15:40:10) czajkowski: I'm really sorry cant get into it atm <br>
(15:40:12) czajkowski: on a conf call<br>
(15:40:25) czajkowski: but I do know it doesnt sit well with
some people<br>
(15:42:08) Ronnie: the money, bank accounts, insurance has been
taking care of. A legal structure is better for our volunteers,
because without the structure, the volunteers itself are
responsible<br>
(15:42:20) paultag: +1 Ronnie <br>
(15:42:45) czajkowski: yeah but again you're now using canonical
name so just becare <br>
(15:42:47) czajkowski: *careful <br>
(15:42:52) Ronnie: also a legal structure allows us to manage
goods and money received from companies that donate<br>
(15:42:54) paultag: the ubuntu name*<br>
(15:43:01) paultag: and since it's actually about Ubuntu, it's
OK<br>
(15:43:07) paultag: and it's even an official ubuntu function :)<br>
(15:43:10) paultag: email them, but it should be fine<br>
(15:43:38) Ronnie: also companies easier donate to legal
structures than to 'some group of people'<br>
(15:44:30) Ronnie: ill email trademark to get an official answer
so we and canonical have this 'on paper'<br>
pak33m paultag <br>
(15:44:51) Ronnie: thx paultag and czajkowski<br>
(15:44:55) paultag: yar<br>
<br>
Ronnie</font></small><br>
<br>
Op 17-07-11 15:30, Ronnie van den Crommenacker schreef:
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<font size="-1"><font face="Ubuntu">Ik heb een opzet gemaakt voor
de mail die ik naar Canonical wil sturen over het gebruik van
de naam "</font></font><font size="-1"><font face="Ubuntu">Stichting
ondersteuning UbuntuNL". Graag feedback hierop.<br>
<br>
Opzet:<br>
</font></font><font size="-1"><font face="Ubuntu">=====<br>
Dear Canonical employee,<br>
<br>
Our loco (Ubuntu-NL) has a question about the use of the
trademark name 'Ubuntu' for our legal volunteer association
structure.<br>
<br>
As Ubuntu-NL loco we want to establish an foundation. </font></font><font
size="-1"><font face="Ubuntu"><br>
We like to use the name: "Stichting ondersteuning UbuntuNL"
freely translated to "Foundation support UbuntuNL"</font></font><br>
<font size="-1"><font face="Ubuntu"><br>
</font></font><font size="-1"><font face="Ubuntu">Since Ubuntu
is an trademark name we need to verify, if we as loco are
allowed to create a legal structure with the name Ubuntu in
it.</font></font><br>
<font size="-1"><font face="Ubuntu"><br>
Why Ubuntu-NL needs an foundation:<br>
- With a foundation we can receive gifts/donations/goods from
companies (companies cant donate easily to persons, cause some
rule about taxes)<br>
- The goods are managed by a group of people instead of one
person.<br>
- For liability insurance at release parties<br>
<br>
<br>
</font></font><font size="-1"><font face="Ubuntu">Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Ronnie van den Crommenacker<br>
Loco-contact of Ubutnu-NL<br>
====<br>
<br>
Nu rest nog het zoeken naar het contact adres voor deze mail.<br>
<br>
Ronnie<br>
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